Reading #1 The story of an hour
THE STORY OF AN HOUR
A. Watch the following video
B. Please, choose at least two questions to answer and respond to your classmates comments at least twice.
1. "Now she understood that freedom is stronger than love." What do you think of this idea? What kind of freedom does Louise find? Where did she find it?
2. Louise thinks, "Men and women always believe they can tell others what to do and how to think." Why do you think she believes this? Do you agree with her?
3. What does Louise mean when she says, " Free, free, free!" Free from what? Today, are women more free than men, or less free?
QUESTION #1
ResponderBorrarI think that she belive this because in some ways it is true, special when there is a close relationship, we have to undestand that all of we have different opinions and we want to be reason in all, but the love makes it more complicate because in some cases we want the other person feels fine and we omit to give our opinion, the problem is when we don't say anything at the beginning it's ok but after a lot of time our silent and our feelings betray us and we finish talking but the bad way and that create problems that we wanted to avoid at first. I thing that Louise discovert that in a hard moment and she decided to live just for herself beliving in her feelings.
I agree with her because it is part of our nature I think that we can't avoid it becase we are different and there are things that we don't like to do and tell but our feelings and love are stronger and we finish giving.
We have to remember to have a balace in our life and to be honest special with our cuple.
QUESTION #3
I think that this question it is part or has a relation with the answer that I give you in the second one, why? well when she felt that there hasn't nobody more who tells her what to do or what to say, she felt free, maybe she had a not good life with her husband, maybe that hapened in the past with the women had to be submissive.
I think that currently the women are more free because we can work and study now, in the past the women had to make the housework and had to stay in house, their activities were take music or drawing classes and care the children.
Unfortunately there are cuntries where the women continue with a life only being housewife because the society dosen't want to change, that is sad because like a women we have the ability to work and learn.
About the question #1.
BorrarI agree with you in one thing, that the problem is because we don’t say anything at the beginning, but I think that when we decided to be with other person is because we before know how is that person, firstly we need to have self-love, beyond the other person if that person is bad for us we need to find the better way to leave of that relationship.
About the question #2
BorrarI agree with your comment, because when she felt that nobody tells what to do she feels free and happy, maybe she was tired of her husband, tired to receive orders from him, also you're right about the freedom that the women now have because nowadays the women are more independent and they have many opportunities to they work ,study etc... they no longer depend so much on a man to be well.
I agree with your opinion....
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ResponderBorrarThird question
ResponderBorrarThat expression is an expression of happiness, of relief, beeing free from a life whose principal feeling towards her was just stay there quiet and let the husband do whatever he wants, with no importance of what she thought, who won't want this?. Many years ago, women weren't able to do plenty things as work as Police officers for example, and mainly just be the housewife with no vote. Thanks God all these situations have been changing over the years, as an opinion, I can't choose if they are more or less free, I just think that in general they are more able to many things they couldn't do in the past, It is becoming in a balance of freedom, neither men more free nor women more free
BorrarI agree with you, in the past women don’t have the same things in comparison with men, but I think that nowadays exist a balance, it is truth that in the past was very mark the difference between man and woman, but now women can work for example, in the same things or works than some man, a clear example is that famous singers around the world are women and that’s very good.
I agree with you, in the past the women had to ask for permission in almost everything, and they had to pass a lot of humiliaton without say anything, currently most of we can be free and we can opine, study and work, we are an important part of the society and we have the same rights human than men.
BorrarI agree with your comments, in the past women were treated just as a housewife, without voice or vote referent to the decisions of the community, and even in the house because, they had to approve what their husbands said, without denying even if something was wrong or right for her, but now those things had change, world´s evolution had brought many positives things for women, now we are being taken into acount, we can say what we don’t like, what we like, we can fight for our rights, also we all know that this is not in all the countries around the world that women can raise their voice to defend their opinion, their way of thinking, there are also many countries in which women are still being submissive, most of them inclusive had had to let their countries to be able to express what they want, and in some cases even far from their countries they still have fear to talk about what they feel.
BorrarFirst question
ResponderBorrarFreedom is stronger than love. From my point of view it's completely a good thought, because if you're in a relationship, probably you think you love that person, but if you're not free of taking decisions, give your opinion, discuss problems, that's not a relationship itself, in few words, no freedom no love. She finds a freedom from someone who didn't let her do anything or even more that I already mentioned, if she's in a deal like this (be treating in that way), none would stop nor a second to take the decision. To sum up, the freedom that she found is without her husband, though this an example of men's treat against women, this happen in the other way around as well.
I agree with you at all because we have to wonder this: what is the idea to be in a relationship if one of them isn’t free? I think if you love someone you have to do as much as possible to make this person happy, not to control him/her. I think Louise didn’t have a loving husband, that’s why she got free when he died.
BorrarI agree with you about the kind of relationship they had because it is not a healty relationship if it is based on a person who controls the other one I mean that´s a common problem that a lot of people have because they confuse that being in a relationship is to crontrol the other person, a good example of this is when one of them takes the personal cellphone to check to whom his or her couple texts.
BorrarQuestion #2
ResponderBorrarI think she believes that men and women can tell others what to do and how to think because she suffered that, maybe her husband didn’t treat her well, she probably had to do what he wanted and she couldn’t refuse at all, she had to live in that way with no options, but I disagree with her because we have to respect ourselves and be able to defend our opinions and thoughts, the idea isn’t discuss with another person, but to get a mutual agreement to find out the way to improve the relationship with somebody.
Question #3
I consider that what Kate Chopin wanted to express with that was that after Louse felt sorrow because of her husband’s death, she could understand that now she could be free, free from their commands, for example. Maybe the author wanted to show that in that time a lot of women were forced to get married and Louise now can imagine a free life thinking only of herself and doing what she wants. Of course time has changed and women have now more rights, but I think not enough. In other countries women can’t get a job, dress as they want nor take their own decisions among other things. I really think this has to change.
I agree at all, time has changed, yet this is not enough as you said, we may think that now women are more free and now is totally different, and in a certain way is true, but we opinioned because in our country or in our continent have been changing, we talk about freedom in general but it is not like that, in most of countries has had changed but not all of them and that it's the way it should be.
BorrarI like your comment, because it is true, maybe the author wanted to emphasize how women were treated in the past, let us know about how their rights were taken out from them, and leaving them vulnerable in front of a society that doesn´t care about woman, but as you say times have change, there are many laws that protect women´s right, that helps them to forget those beliefs that women cannot have the same opportunities as men.
BorrarI totally agree with you Laura,i guess the lady was being treated bad by her husband ,maybe he was controller husband with her ,and nobody deserves that kind of behavior no matter what,she deserves a no controller man ,she deserves to marry a man that she really loves ,a man that can make her happier
BorrarAbout your answer to question # 3. I completely agree with you. At that time women were forced to marry and be under the husband's command without being able to do more. That's why she felt so free after the supposed death of her husband. And we both think the same, some things about women still has to change.
BorrarFirst question:
ResponderBorrarWell I think that´s truth, from my point of view if we are free, we can love, because we can´t lose our liberty for some or something, if we want to love someone is because we know that we can live better with that person, we can be ourselves. We don’t need a “boss” or something like that in our side. Louise found her liberty for her “husband’s death” at the moment but finally I think that she found her liberty or freedom in her own death, and was sadly that was in that way.
In the real life, sometimes in this way that the people find their freedom, because they feel alone in so many cases. It depends of us if we want to live without freedom in a relationship.
Third question:
I think that it means that finally her “hell or confinement” finished. The life, in this case the accident can liberate her, it was like wins the lottery, at last she’ll live free, without orders, without someone like a “boss”, I’m not very agree with that reaction, for me that’s not the way to make the things. In the past, the difference between women and men was very marked, the woman only makes the home’s things, the man worked, but nowadays I think that’s not like in the past.
Women have the same duties, and sometimes women are more strong that men. Currently, women have the same opportunities that men, our culture is very different from the past.
About your third question we thought the same about what Louisa said: “Free, free, free!” because now she could finally do what she wants, without her husband’s commands, but I disagree with you about that women have now the same opportunities than men, because as I mentioned before in other countries women are forbidden to do many things that men do.
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BorrarAbout your first question I totally agree with you because we are free of live our lives like we want, without manipulation of something or someone. Sometimes we put obstacles in our way without realizing it, but it depends on us whether we overcome them or not.
BorrarOn your first answer: "It depends of us if we want to live without freedom in a relationship.". I liked that expression, it totally depends of us, there're a wide quantity of people that are suffering this kind of treat and they just stay in silence, we are able to be free if that's what we want, but if them want to be sentenced in that kind of living it's because they want it.
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ResponderBorrarI agree whit you in all, in the past most of women suffered a lot discrimination and they were considered for a lot of men almost objects, they couldn´t opine, thanks God currently the time had changed for most women in the world, not for all of them, but a high quantity of countries have give the oportunity of change for them, here in our beautiful country we are an example and we like a women we are showing how important and how intelillent we are for society.
ResponderBorrarQuestion #3
ResponderBorrarMaybe she said this because she was tired of her husband I think that he told her what to do or he gave her many orders for that reason she said "free free free" now she felt free from her husband and his orders.Now about the comparison I think that in the past the women were less free, but nowadays the women are more independent because of the opportinities and motivation that they have also they don't want to depend on men and the thinking has been changing in women something that is good for them.
I agree with you sir. Especially the part of the change. Independence has been a crucial point in the freedom of the women. Also, it very important to mention the campaigns. I think that it has not been an easy fight for women but they have achieved it.
BorrarI totally agree with you Alfred,it must have been hard for her to live with this guy that she didn´t love and to accept his orders too and I also agree with you on your second thought ,nowadays ,women are more free tan before ,but we as a society have to work harder in order to make a considerable change.
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ResponderBorrarQuestion number 3:
ResponderBorrarLouise, a humble woman of 2 hundred years ago. She wanted to be and live free, in a time where chauvinism dominated in most of homes, and in the different social layers. That’s a little bit interesting thought because she didn’t indicate that her husband wasn’t bad or treat her bad, but; why did she want to be free? To have many years just for her and her life? Or why did she feel happy or release because of the “death” of her husband? Maybe she was going to be free of insults, scolding, shouts, critiques about her or her life or the way that she saw life. She wanted to imagine a life without complains and limitations.
Although, the tell-tale was written 2 centuries ago, the world hasn’t changed much. Many women around the world suffer day by day several ways of chauvinism, such as: harassment street, gender violence, inequality of gender in their houses, families, in their jobs, so, the kind of life that Louise thought in that time doesn’t exist in this moment too. Even though exists several groups in pro of gender equality and more education about that, the people don’t want to change their minds and the majority don’t pay attention to the consequences for the society in general. So, if you have the chance to investigate and research by your own, about this kind of topics, do it! Many Louise around the world are going to appreciate it.
Question number 2:
In my case I think that Louise believed that men can tell what to think and what to do to all the woman, therefore is not true. Women have their own thoughts and their own personality and ways to see the life. She wasn’t agreeing with that thought. For me; that’s the reason why she wanted to be free. However, the reason what she used to believe that was by the fact of her husband and as other men of his epoch, they were in the habit of inculcating chauvinism and submission thoughts of women. I totally disagree with this kind of thoughts, women have rights and deserve to be respected. Do you do the same?
I really think so you are right pilar. People get marriage freely but with the passing of years, you want stay in it as a free man or woman, just you want being you again. and as you mention chauvinism is one consequence. If you were not threated as you deserve is better to be alone. However, in that times you were suppose to respect the promise you made to God Until death left us apart" Nowadays,for anything people get divorce. So there are good things that we can learn from this story.
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ResponderBorrarQuestion #2.
ResponderBorrarThis is basically for one reason and is the time in which she is leaving. In that time women were obligated to marry and more, they were like servants of her husbands. Usually, told to do what their husbands wanted.
Of course I agree with her for that was the way relations were in that time. But I must say that It was completely wrong. Women are equal to men in every way.
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ResponderBorrarQuestion #1
ResponderBorrar“Freedom is stronger than love” I think that is a good phrase, when what you want to express is that you´re not comfortable in a relationship, or not only in a relationship but also with whatever situation you´re facing on. I mean, you can love to a person that it seems that he or she loves you too, but he or she also doesn´t allow you to do what you want to do, let’s say for example, you like to sing but the person that “loves you” doesn’t let you sing just because he or she thinks that this is something that is not match with your personality, so if you let him or her taking control of your life, and you don´t say anything at the beginning just because you think that because of that person “loves you” is doing the best for you, if you don’t take the courage to fight for your ideals first of all, then you´re never going to have the opportunity to defend yourself, to raise your voice, if you don’t, that person can take advantage of you, and can manipulate as much as he or she can, taking all the control of your life, of your opinions, of your thoughts. If we really love to a person, we should never allow that person changes us, change our mind, don’t allow him or her change nothing from us, and if we don’t talk first about this, we´re going to be in an uncomfortable situation. We are going to be free as much as we love ourselves, that is the key, love ourselves.
Freedom for Louise at the end came to be her death, she finally was free and soul and body as she was saying at her room, that kind of freedom in which you´re not afraid of nothing, in which nobody is going to tell you what to do, how to do, why you must do, nothing of this, she just was finally free.
She found her freedom by her death, maybe wasn´t the kind of freedom she wanted for scaping of her lifestyle, but at the end this was the only way the fate had for her complete freedom, because if it is no to die maybe her memories would be for her a kind of jail, because of her bad moments, bad memories about what she lived with her husband because as she also said: “she had loved him, sometimes, often she had not” If she really loved him, she would love good times with him, but if he hurt her, even she loved him, she would not love bad ones.
Question #2
I think that she believed that because she was weary that her husband manipulate her life, just because he was a well-known businessman and he tried to keep that position of him in front the society, on his business field, so he took possession of the way his wife was, to control everything of her to make her as the way he wanted she was, just to make her as the society accept people, let´s say that just make her as a stereotypes, just to introduce her in the society, even when this meant to change her, forced her to be someone different from what she was, and she allow this just because she thought that was the best for her. And, she never refused him to do what he wanted with her, it seems that she known that her husband was doing wrong with her, but it is just a though for her because she wasn´t brave to face him and tell him, that he was making a big mistake on her.
I agree with her of that some people think that they can make others to think the same ways as they do, telling others what to do, what to think, how to act. But, we must respect others, let them be as they want to be, because each other have the control of their own life, we can´t allow others changes us, and, we can´t change others., just because we don’t´ like the way they are, we must accept and understand that people are different in many ways and the most we must do is accept them.
In my opinion about the question # 1 When we really love a person we will respect as much as we can their hobbies, thoughts and feelings and of course accept our partner how the person is.I think when we decided to choose the person that will be with us is to be happy living wonderful moments with him or her, not for be a slave.
BorrarQuestion #2
ResponderBorrarI think that she believes this, because she was treated in that way by her husband, always under restricted rules and opinions, without being able to express herself as she wanted; otherwise, under the strict thinking and acting of society.
I desagree, because I think that one has to be respected in our different ideologies, sometimes it is a little difficult because of the educational training we have received. And also by different factors that lead to follow a protocol previously established not to disengage in the society, or in the same family.
Question #3
I think she said that, because at last she felt free to do new things to her linking without restraint, or telling her husband what she does. Perhaps, she was thinking about the probability of experiencing new adventures and emotions that she could not to do before, for her role of selfless wife.
Currently, women are more free, maybe no more than men, but now women have more opportunities to get a job, independence and we are backed by many laws to validate our rights.
Question #2.
BorrarI see your point good lady. Society is a factor that is imposible to go against. Especially when one does not have the support of others. Just imagine a man that let his wive do whatever she wants, how will the other men think about it. It was not the way that society approved in that time.
In regard to question #2 I think you are right because the society imposed that the woman should be submissive to the man, besides that it could be frowned upon that the woman did not comply with this or disrespect her, but even though there must be mutual respect in marriage, both men and women have the right to have the freedom that a human being deserves as such.
BorrarQuestion #3.
ResponderBorrarWhen she said "Free, free, free!" I understood that she was released from her husband authority. Living her life, since the marriage, being told what to do and what to think was completely the life that every woman does not deserve. She knew that the horrible life she was living, had arrived to an end.
Now days, I believe, depends of the location. We have seen that in some remote regions of the world, women are still treated like a possession. In the other hand, in developed countries women are treated equal as men. That is the way it must be.
Yes, for sure. Unfortunately here in Costa Rica it was necessary to make up new laws supporting women, but why? Actually it was necessary because the same country noticed that the "equality" issue was not being the right way, more opportunities for men, better salary for men, and it continues... Of course, things have improved, but women still need to face all those problems I mentioned, and more.
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BorrarHey Wendoll, about your answer #3, I completely agree with you. We all assumed that she said that only for one reason, and even though the author does not mention any violence or anything like that we understand that her husband had the control of her thoughts and her decisions.
BorrarWendoll, I would say that it doesn't depende of the location as you said, this is something that is happening everywhere, the problem is I would say that these kind of problems are demonstrated in little actions that we ignore, nevertheless there are some countries where all power belongs to man, and for me it's so cruel and unjust.
People should know that we all deserve the same rights
Question #1:
ResponderBorrarI think that the writter refers to how did Mrs.Mallard feel when she knew that she was free,after all of that time being forced to marry that man,she was free ,free from him,free from his slavery the feeling of being free was stronger than the forced love that felt for him
She finds this freedom when her husband dies ,and she is no longer of his property
Question#2
I think that when she says that ,she is thinking of how her husband treated her ,on how the man tried to push her to think like him
And also,that society and even the one we have is accustomed to the man telling the woman what to do and the woman telling the man what to do too,and that's a wrong thought we have there,every person its free to think what they want to think,we don't have to be pushed to think like the others.
I agree with you, every person its free to think what they want to think,everybody has different thoughts and that must be respected, we are able to decide for ourselves what we want to do and take reponsability for our actions.
BorrarAbout question 1: I completely agree with you Cris, the way that now she would feel free from everything. Maybe she was being forced to do things she would not do, just because things were like that in the past, and that's why she is happy by seeing her life is about to change.
BorrarAbout question #3
BorrarI agree with your commentary Cris, she began to see how freedom came to her life when she learned that her husband had died after that time that his very life and happiness was tied to a man who perhaps did with her what he wanted, her feelings were commanded by a man who preferred to have her repressed and enslaved to his free opinion and feel, than to see her happy in his own way, a woman is happy being herself with her freedom that demands of herself not oppressed.
I totally agree with you about question #2 Cris because we live in a different time, where most ideas are respected, maybe sometimes or in some cases this type of behavior still exists but the change is more noticeable, now women can fend for themselves and they do not have the need for a man to tell them what to do.
Borrar1st question.
ResponderBorrarI would say that love is totally amazing, but there is a way to reach it. Being forced to love or marry someone is not the proper way to do it, it requires time and patience to understand the everything about how a person is. In this case, freedom meant a lot to Louise, and actually I guess she felt even better by his husband’s death, she realized her life would be different in many ways, with no one telling her what to do or think. She was both free and in a rare joy.
3rd question.
This is pretty much the same case, but more focused on future freedom. She knew her freedom was about to come; however, it did not mean a lot in that time, because women were considered less than men, so, it means that her freedom would not work at all. Now, comparing this to our present, even though women have more supporting laws they still face problems related to work opportunities, for saying. But there are more problems, and we cannot deny we are living with a little part of old times, where women need to adapt to society for being part of it; moreover, I’m not trying to say it should be like that, but a change in the system is required to have both men and women the same rights.
Kevin! About your first comment I agree with you at all. I fact, I’d like to share you this verse from the bible, I don’t know if you already see it or read it before, but for me is very important. It says: ’’Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8.Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.’’ Said that, for me, love is amazing, covers a lot of things and I don’t refer to the passional love between a couple, I referring to all kind of love that exist around the world. Love is really amazing, it surpasses all understandings, every barrier. So, for me, if exists different kind of love, how do people try to force others to love them? I mean, it doesn’t make sense! Love must be free. Without to demand anything. :)
BorrarKevin. I agree with you in your second comment about sociaty needs a change, I think a real change but without falling in extreme ideas like for example the corrupted feminism (NaziFeminism) as it is commonly known because they wants a superiority of gender instead the real equality that we as human beigns need it does not matter if we are men or women we are humans and we need the same rights.
BorrarThis comment is to add a little of imforation about I wrote because it is possible to confuse the real equelity with the corrupted feminism and to clarify that I agree with the equality but I don´t agree with whom tries to create a superiority of gender, color of skin or whatever that people use to believe they are better than others.
Hey Kevin, well I totally agree with you about your answer #1, sometimes people love in the wrong way, marriage isn't so easy, as you already said it's something that takes time and patience, I don´t think that Louise is happy, she is married with someone who does not let her be herself, and as you mentioned freedom was so important for her, now she feels independent in some way.
BorrarI would add to your comment that maybe she isn't totally happy about the death, I would say this was a personal relief she felt.
You are absolutely right Kevin. Love can not be force, it needs to have many ingredients to nourish and keep love alive . I consider Louise has clear goals and she sets up free beacause freedom is the capacity to determine our own actions.
ResponderBorrarQuestion #1
ResponderBorrarI think she solved the duel too fast. When she was mourning her husband; she decided to overcome her sorrow and start a new life. Louise took care of her husband for many years and did her job as housewife but inside her she was not feeling complete. However, her marriage stood up in the good times and bad ones. Now, when says she is free, free… that means she will take the reins of her own life being the person she wanted to be. In the other hand, nowadays there a minority of women those are not free because many causes; for instance violence from their husbands.
Question #3
I think you can love a person a lot. But a person must be an independent person and must take his/her own decisions and must be a forger of his/her own destiny. Then, what kind of freedom does Louise find? It turns out that she is not happily married and the idea of the freedom of their marriage ties gives her joy. And she finds her freedom being a lonely widow. I think anyone would do the same thing. If you did not have the marriage you dreamed of and the husband dies; well you cry and you suffer because he is a human being but that surpasses because life goes on.
Question #1
ResponderBorrarI think that many times love becomes possession, you think or you take over another person just for being "in love", but this is not love is just possession, one has no voice and command over another person, one has to be free with a partner or without a partner, to fall in love is not to leave your freedom and to repress, is to leave being who you were with your freedom and with your happiness, with someone who contemplates you and not that you take away your happiness.
She found freedom to own her own life, even if she misses that other person who, in addition to possessing her, always saw her with love, but above all, no longer living for someone was important.
Found freedom in death.
Question #3
I think that in saying free refers to her life coming back to her, that she could resume her life after Brently her husband lived for her, I can understand that long ago and still lived, many men in their macho form take all control over women and repress them. When her husband died the sky was giving her a chance to be free, and free of the fear and insecurity of whether it was good to take that feeling of freedom or to reject it, the thought that those years would be theirs alone.
Hi Pam, about your first comment:I share your idea, in the way that nobody has to depend from others, save to themselves. I mean, in many cases, such as the Louise’s example, the love to her husband becomes in imposition and obligation to her. And think that it makes no sense, because love must be a decision. It implicates the capacity and liberty to think, to share, to choose, to decide what kind of person who wants to be, and I advise you to always choose well to whom to love and that never happens to you like Louise!
BorrarPamela, I think you're quite right in your first comment. Love should never be possession and should never take away the freedom of the other person. We should never be with someone who steals our freedom but with someone who makes us feel free to be who we really are and share our ideals, someone who complements us and doesn't repress us.
BorrarI agree with your comment about question #3 Jessica. Now there are laws in favor of us women before it was very difficult because women were repressed by our very society talking socially but speaking sentimentalmemte, we are still emotionally repressed in my opinion, since there are men who believe they have all the power over the woman but they do not realize or do not give to be equalitarian, they get so extreme that the problem with the male society in my opinion but for the rest their opposition is assertive.
ResponderBorrarQuestion #1
ResponderBorrarI believe that love is something that must come along with freedom, I wouldn't dare to say that freedom is stronger than love because I believe that love, (if it is true and genuine) will bring freedom. If you are with the person you really love, he/she shouldn't exempt you from doing something. He/she shouldn't deny what you really want to do, no matter if it is dancing, singing, laughing or doing /working on what you are passionate about. If that person represses you to do such simple things then, it isn't love. The ideal is to find freedom in true love. But in Louise's case, she regrettably found no freedom in the love that her husband gave her, because he most likely had her under his control and denied her the freedom that any woman deserves. For that reason she found freedom until the moment she saw herself without him next to her.
Question #3
I repeat my idea, Louise found freedom when she saw herself without her husband, with herself being dependent, able to do anything without anyone's control and without fear of being scolded or repressed. This short story was published in the late nineteenth century, when women were seen incapable, when women had no voice or vote. When the rights of women were on the ground. According to the society of that time they were born with the goal of finding a man and marrying to quickly submit to their rules and domains. Louise was happy to be free from this oppression.
Society has changed and the rights and respect for women has changed for the better. Women now have more freedom than before; however, there are still people and countries where they see women as a minority and still see women unable to do any specific work or label women's and men's jobs. Our society is in a constant change and it is our responsibility to teach the youngest that both; men and women have the same rights and freedoms.
I agree with you regarding question # 3 Fer, before marriages were sometimes arranged for convenience or other reasons, but there was no union for love. Fortunately, times have changed and now the woman has more freedom and at least in our country we have many more rights, I also agree with your last point since it’s in our hands to teach and educate the best way to the youngest.
BorrarQuestion#3
BorrarI agree with you; since, women now can do a lot of thing like men, all people in the world, it doesn´t matter if is a woman or a man, should have the same rights, and as you said it, our society is constantly evolving in terms of rights to the woman, and that is something good. Currently, countries like Saudi Arabia women have to use the Burka (a black dress that covers the whole body), and this is something that we hope as soon as possible finish; because, they have the right to be happy.
Question #1
BorrarFer I totally agree with you and also love your comment, love for me is amazing and all of us should have freedom to do or be what we want (freedom is love).
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ResponderBorrar1st Question:
I thik about "life is stronger than love" that it is important to overcome whatever situation that could be happinig because life continues and there is no reason to fall in depression during much time and stop the life! for that because in the end the only person who really matters is herself/himself if something really affects like a horrible desease that could justify the falling in depression but it does not for whatever other situation and in my own opinion I think that the idea is to make ourselves stronger to face all the possible that can happend in a future.
In my own opinio, the kind of freedom that Louise found is about leaving a marriage in which she did not want to be part but she could love him for the years they were together, I mean Louise found her freedom after she overcame her "husband's death"
3th Question:
I think she refers when she said "Free,Free,Free" that she would be free from her marriage which was done probably because in those years women had to get married with a man to survive and as a way to live so this fact makes me think about she did not want to get married and she had just because her parents obligated her as it was common in 1890's this is why she felt free from marriage.
And talking about the actuallity I think women are not free at least in our country (it depends the countries and the culture where a woman can be in) because there is a catholic culture in Costa Rica that has not changed so much as people need in a modern world but there is actually a tendence of corrupted feminism that tries to "improve" women's situations in C.R but they really want is a superiority of gender for that I said "corrupted" because the real feminism wants equality while the corrupted one "feminazism" wants to control everything and obtain more rights when the most important is to have the same ones.
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ResponderBorrar#1
ResponderBorrarOf course, it is a good thought. When there is love, there should be also freedom. It wouldn’t make sense to limit our lives or to feel a prisoner for loving someone else; on the contrary, love should give life to our life, growth. In love, there should be connected minds, communication, mutual respect. In my case, I would prefer to stay alone, trying to be the best version of myself. For example, how can I love a person if I don’t even love myself? That’s why I support her thought.
I understood that Mrs. Mallard lived for her husband, probably to make him happy or comfortable, obedient to her husband's wishes and expectative, forgetting about herself, being someone different. Maybe Mrs. Mallard felt she was a prisoner of a possessive love and it made her live trying to please Brently; I think that’s why she found in her husband’s death the opportunity to start over again, but this time she would live for herself, on that chance, she would find the freedom of being who she really was… There are people who believe that the excess of love is harmful and is mainly dangerous…
I love that phrase:
Give the ones you love wings to fly, roots to come back and reasons to stay.” ― Dalai Lama.
#2
Well, you may love someone but no more than yourself. You cannot change your life, you cannot forget that you also exist. I’m married and it doesn’t mean that I’m not longer the person that I used to be or that I’m not free. I’m still the “Estefanny” that my friends and family knew… I respect and love my husband a lot, but I’m still me. It’s not okay to try to change the person or the personality you loved at first, or to think you can control him/her. However, when the years go on, you get to know some negative characteristics about your partner, and sometimes you hate them, but… that’s the way it is! It happens in all relationships. If you really love that especial person, you should understand that he or she is the person YOU chose -especially in marriage- or just the one you fell in love with, and you should accept her/him with all her/his defects, and also with the freedom and right of being who he or she is (of course when there’s respect and is a good and healthy relationship without violence and things like that) and it’s also very important to understand and to remember every second of our lives that nobody in the world is perfect, so… why would you want to make your partner a person who is not? You may not want to lose your rights, be asked to change and be a person completely different! If you are not perfect, why would you ask that person to change or delete his/her defects, to think as you think and act as you want him/her to act?... Why would you want to “take possession” of your partner’s life? It’s a good idea to stop and remember what characteristics made you fall in love with that person… probably you saw beauty in everything including his/her freedom.
I think she believes this because she was possibly in a "timeworn" relationship, giving everything, being “slave to marriage”, therefore, she was accustomed living under this "regime".
I totally agree with you Estef, regarding question #1 I would say that when she realized that her husband was "dead" she saw an opportunity to live in a different way, she would live for herself as you said in your comment, I strongly believe that we must be free, we must express what we think, I understand that probably in that time marriages were carried out without an objection, maybe this is the reason why she was wishing her freedom.
Borrar#2
BorrarEstef I love your comment and I could say that I understand what you say about the relationships for example with my boyfriend I remember that we had differences that both didn't like but we had to learn to deal with it and now we are happy with a lot of communication....
#2
ResponderBorrarI think she says this because somehow, she has lived it, the reading suggests that she was a woman who lived probably repressed and not so happy with her husband, perhaps her husband was a person who demanded or ordered what he wanted, and this obviously cannot make anyone happy. A happy marriage includes harmony and communication and is something that perhaps wasn’t present in this case. In a certain part I agree with her, because there are still people who believe that they can force others to anything; even parents at the time of educating their children teach them that they must do what they say, but sometimes they don’t do it in a good way and people grow up thinking they can force anyone to do what they order. On the other hand, and thanks to the evolution that has been generated in people, these cases are becoming less common, I think that everything is due to the education we have received since we were children.
#3
When she begins to say that she is free, she obviously refers to her husband no longer being with her, she can now live her life for her without giving explanations to anyone, and this shows that she had a marriage not very happy, at least for her since her husband probably did not give her much freedom, which is why she is not so sad to think that her husband had passed away, because she had been released from him and this meant that now had time for her and maybe at last be really happy. Today, women are neither freer nor less free than men, there are now many changes that give women more freedom and more opportunities in the world and gender equality has been promoted, although it can be said that there are still people who think women should be below men.
I think the same of you about question#2 in the past men didn't used to respect the women's opinion.They was thinking about theirself and never didn't care about their wive's feelings and thoughts.In this case a woman can't find her hapiness if she just do what another person say and not what she want.In other hands there are people that believe that they are better than other for that reason they always say what the other people have to do and they don't respect them.
BorrarQuestion#2
BorrarI believe that you are right, she was not happy with his husband, the news about the husband’s death made in her feel happiness; besides, she felt that nobody could tell her how think or act in her house, she already was free. I agree in the part that you write that says “there are still people who believe that they can force others to do anything, and that situation we can see it in many Costa Rican houses, where the man has the control at all; for instance, my grandmother had a difficult experience one part of her life, my grandpa was an evil with her, until one day she decided to leave him living alone; as a result, she now live happy with my aunt and has the opportunity to have a freedom life.
Question #1
ResponderBorrarWell, I would say about this question that freedom is a right that each one of us have, regardless of gender.
In the end this girl understood the true value that freedom has, such a human, woman...
Probably she was "blind" let's say, 'cause she had a wrong idea about what love means. And what I'm trying to say is that many people inadvertently lose personal freedom just because of the thought "I love this person" instead of think in themselves first, in their freedom.
I may say that this girl found her freedom at the moment she took a decision without someone saying if it will be okay or not, when she can expressed herself without feel afraid of nothing...
The right to be able to express what we feel without being judged should be one of the most important things that people need learn.
Question #2
About that phrase...I think that this girl thought like that maybe because of the life she had to deal with, her husband made her think this way, I would say that he was as wrong as she was, so neither of them would understand that freedom and love should be must have a balance.
I understand that maybe in the past all these things were very different, woman had no authority over anything, and for them for the girls of that time it was totally normal...
Maybe this girl Louise thought that her husband was the only one with the control of her thoughts and her rights, and I obviously disagree with this 'cause I support equality of liberty, of rights and so on...
Question #2
ResponderBorrarI think that she said or think this because of all time she spent with her husband, since her husbad probably gave her orders or he didn't leave express her feelings or give her opinion, she wasn't free probably she was controlled by her husband and she had to do what he wanted, in the past this behavior was "normal" but now both men and women can think or do what they want and i disagree with her because nowadays we can think or do any thing, we are more free, we all have a different ways of thinking and we should respect opinions that come from other people
Question #2
ResponderBorrarI think she believes this because maybe she was accustomed to receive orders to her husband.And nobody never tell her about the rights that she had.Also because didn't have the opportunity to give orders or to have differents thoughts that him.This happens when we are treating like slaves in a marriage.In the past women didn't have rights to do what they wanted.I totally disagree with her because we have to defend our rights if something don't like us.We have to express our feelings and thoughts and never keep in silence.
Question #3
For me, she said it because she was married with a man that she never really love.Also, because she had to do what he said and act like he wanted.She didn't gave freedom to do what she wanted or to have fun like a free women.She was as a prisoner of her husband.She didn't have right to express her opinion.In the past,it was normal women always have to do what their husband said.They used to lose their identity.Nowadays men and women are treat equally.Men and women have the same freedom and rights to do whatever they want.
I firmly believe that you have the reason we have to defent our rights and we have to express our feelings, but nowadays still there are some people that are being assaulted and they keep silence, this is incredible but it is still happening…
BorrarQuestion#1
ResponderBorrarIn my point of view, she said that freedom is stronger than love, because probably she was not happy with his husband, maybe she was forced to get married with someone that she didn't love, and in that time girls must obey without refusing at all. When she realized that her husband was "death" she saw another opportunity to be happy, to be free. In my humble opinion I think that it's a very good thought because love can't be love without freedom, we can't force someone to love us, in a relationship we must have the right to express what we think. In regard to what kind of freedom that she find, I consider that she thought that she was not gonna be a prisoner of her husband again, perhaps she was thinking that she would get rid of the burden that she was carrying.
Question #3
As as I said before maybe she was not happy in her marriage, so she just wanna live better, she was thinking in her future in the way she was gonna live without her husband. In the book, we can read "she would live for herself" it makes me think that she was tired, she didn't want to be with her husband, she didn't want to be worried about someone else, moreover she imagined that she was free from her husband.
Nowadays it's different, women have more rights than in the past, at least in our country we as women are privileged, even though we have to face with people that think that men are better, but the society is changing I hope in the future all women will have the same rights as men.
I agree with you Karol becuase that you said is true, “love can’t be love without freedom” this is a very nice phrase to express the idea in the book of the phrase “free free free”. And you have the reason, the society is changing….
BorrarIn response to answer #1, I think pretty similar to you because from my point of view “love” should be free, it needs to be understood and fed, it means that by forcing some to love you or do as you say, you won´t win his/her love. Being loved is something that everybody deserves and that´s what we were made for, but first we must love ourselves and we shouldn´t let someone else take our freedom and pride away.
BorrarI really agree with you Karo when you say "love can't be love without freedom". I cannot imagine "wasting" my life with a person who tries to control everything, as if I belong to him. I think in these cases love cannot grow, in fact, it wouldn't be love, it would be obssesion or something like that. Generally, an obsessed person wants to control everything.
BorrarQuestion#1 I think many there are many women that fall in love at the first time with men that are very bad persons,they think that women are of their property,they want to master actions,thoughts,friends of women but women don't see it at first time, they noticed about this when is too late and some women think that they have to bear it because they are in love but I think it can't be like this, we have to give to know our position of women but many women come to a moment of feeling prisoner intheir lives because they noticed in what moment they get that situation, i think love and slavery are two things very different, women have to know until what moment have to be meek.Louis found a kind of freedom when she noticed that her husband was die, i think she recover her freedom fo woman, maybe she was fall in her routine of meek wife, maybe her husband mistreated her and she did all that he wants, she was in a jail where she was a prisoner and she found her freedom when his husband was supposedly "die", she was a little confused but later she was relieved.
ResponderBorrarQuestion #3 When she says "FREE, FREE, FREE" I think she was happy because she noticed that there would be no one to live for during those coming years; she would live for for herself. There would no powerful will bending her in that blind persistence with wich men and women believe they ahve a right to impose a private will upon a fellow-creature. She was completely free from her slavery disguised of love. In my opinion i think time has changed , we are in a society where women has right to do everything that they want. In the other hand if we think about past, we noticed that women were despised by men, women were obliged to be at home doing the chores and they couldn't learn to read or go to school, all that they did had to be approved by hers husband. I am completely sure that women today are more free than in the past. .Today a woman who is a slave is because she wants. Love has not to be slavery.
I agree wit you Angie in the 3rd question, because in our sociaty has more right for the women than in the pass and also she has right to live happy, because she had all right to be like this, maybe her husband was bad with her, it is true timeis changing for us and for all.
BorrarQuestion #1
ResponderBorrar“Freedom is stronger than love” for me this is a deep phrase, I think that many people thinks the same because in a relation they probably get more focused on their partner forgetting that we should have the opportunity to go out with friends or alone and not only with our husband or boyfriend, to do what we really love no matter what it is and this is when the relations start to change when one of them realized how they miss their freedom because they can’t be what they want that’s when they can’t wait until they get their freedom back. I think that all of us in a relation should do different thinks but not only with our partner. Louise found the freedom to grow as a woman that she could live for herself and she found that when she realized that he was no longer with her.
Question #3
I think that she said that because probably she felt like if her marriage was like a jail she probably gave all of her to him, forgetting about herself. Now she could say that she doesn’t have to live more for him and now spend more time with her self and do whatever she wants, because as I saw the story was in the year were women didn’t have voice or vote. However now days’ time has change in some places for example in our country we have the same rights as men but I still believe that we need more rights like in jobs for example I always say ¿way women can’t work in an appliances store as a seller like in Mexpress and all of does stores?
Hi Pau :) talking about question #3
BorrarI completely agree with you, she probably spent a lot of years taking care of her husband, being just for him, forgetting about herself. On the other hand, I think that women need more rights as you said, sometimes there are just stereotypes that women can't do these kind of jobs, and of course it's not truth.
Pau, about your anwer of the question #2, I think exactly the same when you say "this is when the relations start to change when one of them realized how they miss their freedom". If you love a person, if you want him in your life being BOTH happy, let him be free. I always think in that phrase I really like: "give the ones you love wings to fly roots to come back and reasons to stay" (Dalai Lama)
BorrarQuestion #2
ResponderBorrarI agree with her because even today you can see how some people stop doing things they like to be with other people or in this case with their partners despite this away from loved ones. I suppose she believed this because she was happening to him, maybe she did not do things that she liked because her husband did not let her or she did not do them because she did not create problems between them. Perhaps she was forced to marry, because at that time you did not choose with whom or when, because at that time the woman was repressed, and because of this she had believed or felt that she could not do or think that she wanted.
Question #3
ResponderBorrarI think she was being free from her husband, maybe they were married for many years and she was tired of having to think about the well-being of another person, and not being able to think only about her well-being and what she wanted, to be able to enjoy many years of her life alone of being able to be herself and to think only in her. I believe that at least in our country we are equally free both men and women. I think that in other countries there are differences between women and men, but the society is in a process of change, in fact there have been many positive changes in favor of women and this is evidence that someday those women would be heard.
I agree with you Evelyn but in some cases because I think if any person find out another person for making a couple, they need to know that they never can feel tired to live together maybe feel like I don't, but if you love that person with all you soul you never feel tired because if you love that you do it you always stay happy and love needs to be stronger than whatever situation,if they have a good freedom, they have a communication and love, also I agree with you when you say there have been many positive changes in our favor because it is true.:)
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ResponderBorrarQuestion # 2
ResponderBorrarI believe that Louise had bad days with his husband; besides, she was under his control; she could not comment or to have a different opinion, for these reasons she thinks that women or men can tell others what to do and how to think. From my point of view, I disagree with her, because nobody has more rights than another person; furthermore, all people have different ways of thinking, and we must learn to respect the decisions of everybody, nowadays we can see many couple relationship with this kind of problems, and in my opinion, the unique way to solve it is with an agreement of both parties, looking for the solutions to their communication problems.
Question # 3
I think that the meaning of this phrase is that her time of suffering end, with the death of her husband; since in my opinion, she was under his control in the house, and with this news, she was already happy; also, she now can think freely, without someone that doesn´t leave her to give opinions about something. Currently, I consider that women have the same rights than men, and women are as free as men; moreover, I know about some countries in Asia, where women don´t have freedom of expression, I believe people there live like in the past, that the women was just for being in the home with the children, I hope that one day this situation finish in these countries. Women from Costa Rica think different like some years ago; for example, they are going to work, receive education, and participate in politics.
I couldn´t agree more with you, because for her it was like escaping from jail, she thought she would know what happiness really means, when a person feels free to express him/herself it´s such a great feeling that nobody in this world should take away. Unluckily you got a point saying that in many countries around the world women don´t have the sames rights as men do, and it´s because of the kinds of governments those countries already have since many years ago, it´s not something you can tear down from one day to another, I assure it´s a long way to go and women should keep strong and fighting for what they deserve.
BorrarQuestion #2
ResponderBorrarI would say Louise´s thought was about the kind of life she was accustomed to have; she probably went through a dreadful process while living with her husband. From my point of view she thought in that way because she kept seeing every single day how her husband used to tell her what to do and how to think about some situations in life, I bet her husband never let her make comments or make decisions since she was a woman. That´s why she pictured every couple was facing the same situation in life and there´s where her thought comes from. I totally disagree with her in the fact that a person has to do as his/her couple says, I think it´s a matter of communication, when a person gets involved in a relationship, those people should keep talking to each other to reinforce the relationship, it´s not about giving orders or telling the other person what to do or how to think, because at the end that person is not a slave, they work as a couple and every decision should be made as a couple.
Question #3
About this question I think she says that expression because she felt so happy, it means free from feeling like a slave her entire life, nobody expects to get married and live like a slave, she didn´t expect to spend her life living with someone that thought he had more rights than she, perhaps with her husband´s death, she thought she would be able to express herself as everybody does, she thought she would take control of her life and be strong enough to face the real life; unfortunately, she realized her husband was alive and she she knew she would be unhappy again, that´s why because of the impression she got when she saw her was not dead, she died. If I had to say that a person is more or less than anyone else I would say that´s not true, we are living in a world that is changing; even though in some countries women have no the same rights as men, we are privileged to see how women have fought to change those negative aspects about our society, nowadays woman have the same or more rights as men, however it´s unfortunate to say that because of this fight women have imposed looking for equality, SOME women take advantage of this to affect men in some way.
I agree with in your second answer in the last part Tayron, the world is changing, our minds are changing, we see more perspectives about these situations, not just in the way of maleness or feminist, in the way to respect each other as human, and yeah, some women take advantage because they say that they are the weak gender but not to affect men maybe almost the majority don´t have other choice, harassment and abuses happens to them, as we know in the past they were underestimated but currently all of us must to break that walls of stereotypes and start to be more open minded.
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ResponderBorrarQuestion # 1:
ResponderBorrarI think, freedom as an essential component of relationships. Although this might seem odd to many of us, it really is important to have freedom in all areas of our life and relationships are no exception. Healthy relationships are not built on need and holding tight, but on giving each other the freedom for personal growth and creativity I don't think that freedom is stronger than love you only need to be clear with you thoughts and feelings. Love and freedom are complement. A strong relationship needs love and freedom, both are important in a marriage, both in marriage need to have freedom to do whatever that they want and love to be together. About kind of freedom that she found maybe was when she decided to be independent, strong and think with more clear,and she is seeing her life as now having a new look, and it seems to parallel the fresh, new, earthy and cheerful sights out of her bedroom window. I think she is really a decent, moral woman and wants to do the right thing. But she found that freedom when she thought with her heart and not with her brain, because she found a good option that maybe in the pass she didn't have a good opportunity or good life with her husband. Maybe she didn't have freedom and when she heard that her husband was dead, she felt that her life was coming again, and it was time to star again.
Question #3:
Maybe when she said “free, free, free" she wanted to say that it is time to be more helpful than in the pass, I think she was swimming in herself, I don’t think she felt guilty about it, nor should she have. Also, I know that she loved him, because she was so sad when she received that news that her husband was dead. He was dead but she was alive so she decided to take advantage of that moment and live her life with happiness and didn't worry about the pass because she wants to live more than in the pass, maybe in the pass she wanted to be free but she couldn't have the opportunity, because women in the pass didn't have the same freedom that the men had, Now I think that men have the same freedom and right the women have, but in some case the society gives more freedom to men, but not all the time.
Question #1
ResponderBorrarTalking about from my point of wie I agree with that idea beacuse currently almost all of us just want to stay alone without compromises and doing whatever thing what we want without fear if someone stop us, without concerns and obligations and that is I think Louise whished, maybe with tha pass of the time she opened her eyes and saw that the way that she was living was the worst or maybe she lost her love for her husband and felt unhappy that she couldn't do the things that she wanted and just worried for her husband and responsabilites as a wife. I think that is the kind of freedom that she wanted, and when his husband "died" she felt she started to live for herself without chains tied on her.
Question #3
About this question I should to say that I think that she felt free about her resposabilities and duties that she had with her husband or the treat that he gave her when was alive, and I think that CURRENTLY there is not the same equality for women but there is more than the past there is more inclusion and movements like feminist, because in the past women used to be limited and ruled by men, worried only in their tasks as wives and without rights to choose and without do whatever they wanted. Now is different but in the middle east we can see how many countries remain with this practices and excluded women and look down on them. Recently I saw a new about women in Arabia Saudita allowed women to drive so we can figure out how much left for more equality for women and their rights in those countries.